I go on youtube and so many parents are killing their kids. If he did it he would have killed in the same manner of death which would have been strangulation not smothering. She was pregnant some women have very sore breasts when pregnant and the bra adds support & comfort. If this is true, what a sad sad world we live in for the love of money is the root of all evil. (Oh and the bra with pregnant women 100% The T and underwear sleep outfit? Autopsy shows oil, water, and sludge in their lungs, which cannot happen when you are dead. Mechanical compression with blood vessels in the neck (as in a Stranglehold) causes a reduction in oxygenation of the brain, leading to cerebral hypoxia/ischaemia, anaerobic metabolism, and acidaemia/acidosis (similar to the effects of cardiac arrest on the brain (Longstreth 2001). Chris Watts attacked her from behind, his left hand around her throat and his right hand covering her mouth and nose. Theres just too much, including motive, he wanted a life with Nicole with no disturbances. How do you or any of us know what her last words to Chris were? Straight up facts. Nickole Atkinson was first to sound the alarm; she told police she dropped Shannan off and Shannon was 15 weeks pregnant and not feeling well. Mommys earned this. It seems likely she even planned to use her pregnancy and 3rd child in service to her MLM addiction see https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/. Do you think CW could have strangled her from behind? Watts, a 33-year-old Colorado oil worker, killed his wife, Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant, along with his two daughters aged three and four on August 13, 2018. This behavior is opposed to the dignity and respect of another person. GPS from Watts work truck led police to the oil well. Celestes stomach was empty. There is cowardice involved but theres an easier way to attack and subdue someone than to wait for them to fall asleep. Meaning there should be no oil in her stomach just like cece. Neither of them passed any body fluids. "Chris Watts Just Snapped" "Why wasn't Shan'ann's body dumped into the oil tanks as well?" #Shakedown's Call on the Chris Watts Case: The Bodies were "Processed" Did you have to cover something up for Shannan? Here is the parts in Shanann's autopsy report that says the stuff about how her hair was sloughing, that she had skin slippage & bloating/decomposing had started. This whole thing is terrible. If Chris had not had the affair, he would not have killed his family! He failed all 3 questions. Unless you count her phone. He was photographed head to toe upon booking & was found to have no offensive wounds on him anywhere. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life.. How did Shanann Watts die? Addition. They were smothered. Shan'ann seemed to have a fairly mild case. Ive slept in my bra for 25 years since I got my first breast implants. They didnt do date nights. Hed let her snuggle him that morning. Her house was immaculate, I envy that she was able to keep everything like that. I guess my vanity rubbed off on her. When you are larger or they are tender, especially when pregnant, it is easier to sleep in them. For more information on having conversations at this site: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/21/true-crime-rocket-science-how-to-have-conversations-on-this-site-and-how-not-to/. There are no words . When people die, sudden or expected, contents of their bowels and bladder are expelled. Police photoA sheet was found near where Shanann was buried. Doesnt mean he couldnt have used his presence in the marital bed to induce her to get close to him and give him the opportunity. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy for Bella said. I have NO doubt that CW did a choke-hold on his wife from behind or right side, rendering her unconscious while smothering her airwayshe never woke upis why she didnt struggle or stop him. If youre not OCD, it doesnt mean Shanann wasnt. I chose this thread that details the grisly aspects of the deaths to post it because, after reading the entire thing, it almost seems that there was an unrecognized accomplice in the Watts family murders. Thus, the little girls may have been unconscious but they were NOT COMPLETELY DEAD YET.and that is how oil got into their LUNGS !!!!!!!!! Ive considered morphine [since Shanann was a lupus sufferer, and needed strong pain meds], but morphine should have come up in the autopsy. Chris stated that his wife smothered her children and im sure hes lying but i was hoping to read somewhere here of proof that chris also smothered his kids. Heres another: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-11-23-susan-rohde-sustained-too-many-injuries-to-hang-herself-pathologist/. And if the girls mentioned a nikki shanann may just assume her friend. October 3, 2018 / 12:35 PM / CBS Colorado. Im convinced that he did the same to Shanann. Im having my doubts about an emotional conversation occurring that particular morning prior to Chriss killing Shanann. Nickole called Chris several times and he kept giving different arrival times. Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. Bella was wearing pink pajama-type top with images of hearts and butterflies. Poor thing. I have watched/listened to a lot of Nicks videos and am now working my way through his books, and I can honestly say that he is impartial and simply digs deep into the why of the case. Her Dad stated that Shanann would often sleep on the sofa when he stayed at the house, and again when she was in NC after Chris arrived. I also believe he would have thought out a better place to bury them. Youre not Shanann Watts. I have read through this entire post and this is the one question that I dont think is getting enough attention. Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to manual strangulation by another individual. While some muscles spontaneously contract after death and though all muscles eventually tighten into rigor mortis others are loosening their grip entirely. Not one place on his body? And in his own words under his own free will he admitted he act it killed his kids twice before that was ever said. So wheres the problem here? Maybe im not reading this correctly or i missed it but what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids? Unless he threw it there and forgot to take it and planned on ridding of it. Jayne is an EXTREMELY experienced K9 handler she can be seen in action in the Docu-Movie Missing 411. They are finger prints from his hands. I just dont understand this. No evidence of cake or undigested dinner. Its good that youre trying to demonstrate this and see it through. http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, But Celeste didnt have oil her stomach. I love that guy. CW planned it, read it up. I go back & forth wondering if he planned on killing the kids, or if Bella saw & then he had too. I just dont get it. After that, then everything started going bad and stressing him out. Watts was no genius, by saying he saw her kill CeCe and giving such a short timeframe for their killings, he left it wide open that they could have been saved had he called 911 or administered CPR instead of murdering his pregnant wife. like others, cannot wrap my brain around his behavior. There are FBI profilers who are trained at reading people by what they dont say & in Chriss case sometimes he says too much. Thanks for the paper, ganana Im with you on this. Its actually not uncommon. I am very new to this case, only a couple of months ago, end of November 2020 to be precise. could also suggest a Stranglehold. I remember one video where shes tasting one of the Thrive bars and effusing over how delicious it is, while one of her daughters cries with hunger in the background, and ShanAnn tells the poor child, No, you cant have this this is Mommys. Who and/or what are we dealing with here? And fyi, I am not going to use the actual pictures/videos in my project. He says he never saw what happened to Bella because he was downstairs. That is what this whole thing boils down to, Chris not wanting a divorce for the simple fact of having to pay child support on 3 kids. Several life experiences may also have contributed to and promoted OCD-like behaviours in Shanann too the loss of financial control during bankruptcy, divorce, car accident, illness etc all contribute to a person seeking the need for regaining control of their life which can manifest as a place for everything and everything in its place behaviours. Chris said: I freaked out and I did the same thing to f****** her. People with OCD can have obsessions related to a wide variety of things, including losing control, hurting others, unwanted sexual thoughts, and many more. Both my kids were blue and they were gone. ( oh & yes there were handprints in both sides of her neck according to autopsy ) on his arms? Thats a harsh indictment to a woman who cant defend herself. I wrote a book that tried to integrate information, not just throw the information in the air and shrug. Even if he raged and killed Shannon because she killed her girls, I would much rather be guilty for killing Shannon because she killed my babies then be a monster guilty of killing my daughters so I would have called for help so the cops could do their job and get the evidence to back up my story. Also just because she was strangled and they were suffocated doesnt mean dirt. (RJ Sangosti/The Denver Post via AP, Pool) Autopsy reports released Monday afternoon reveal in the greatest detail so far what, exactly, Christopher Watts pleaded guilty to, and why he'll serve the rest of his life in prison.The reports for Watts' pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3; show Watts killed his . Ive linked an article below for everyone to read about how harmful perpetuating this lie is. If the girls were dead by ca. There is no soul in his eyes. I dont know her daily habits, but i use mine as an alarm. Specifically, the region of your brain that controls the muscles that hold your sphincter closed becomes incapacitated following death. Said it was part of the decomposition process. In the report, (link below) stories of financial devastation, destruction of relationships, and even murders and suicides paint a vivid picture of an industry built on lies and deception a business that focuses its greedy eyes on the naive and the vulnerable. Are you a parent? Seriously? I was near death before my ex took his hands off my neck. The one person who took a few breaths almost immediately fainted. I approached an expert to get his take on it, and was a little disappointed by his findings: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. 100% agree. Police reportsPhotos of the Watts family in the police reports. I think he killed the girls at the worksite. As previously reported, Shanann Watts was 15 weeks pregnant at the time of her murder, with a baby boy the couple had already named Niko. In this day and age, OCD has become a replacement word for ritualistic behaviour and personal idiosyncrasies. Much more interest in the case in his home state; in Wisconsin, hes just a number. The autopsy is commenced at 1030 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Shanann Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. & he says ah um like yeah theres that too & sort of skips right over it. I have come to think of her OCD tendencies as a bit like the way she was around her kids. Addendum: The cadaver dog wasaso very interested in the washing machine and his handler, Jayne, says quite clearly that her dog has scented death by the machine (check the K9 video, but watch the volume, the cadaver dogs bark is quite shrill! The children were in 20 foot tanks with hatches on top. The t-shirt she was found in looks very similar to the one she is seen wearing in the neighbours cctv footage of her arrival back home. Chris Watts. I think he had mental issues too. It DOES NOT make her a bad mother when I comment on what I saw and what I think. This put undo pressure on the marriage and Chris being the douche bag he is, it was too much pressure to perform I beleive. Supposedly he took them out of school and said they wouldnt be coming back. I didnt know what else to do. She also wanted to make her marriage work. The HORRIFIC, worse than most of us originally thought truth; Bella and Cece were ALIVE on the drive, Bella even commented on the smell of her mothers body on the floor under their feet in the back seat because her bowels had evacuated when she died; its horrific to know that he dumped those little girls, unconscious but still alive out of fear that they would wake up again and the disgusting coward and monster that he is- he said he was FURIOUS that they somehow woke up after he thought hed killed them in thier beds. Ditto who died first and last. In fact, its not just the muscles but also the gas produced inside your body following death that will cause peeing and pooping. I guess he did want to get rid of them all, and do it all over again with her. According to the Denver Channel, Watts received three life prison terms without the possibility of parole. Shannan would choke the like out of Watts before she hurt her kids. And about the **bra thing** (on or off, sleep or not), well this is a big deal to me, because I think it can be considered an indicator as to time of death, or at least, it can confirm she had the chance to get out of the clothes she came home in before she was attacked and killed. He could have planned to go to work early that morning so as to avoid talking to Shanann. What are the odds???? When it was revealed yesterday that the children had been smothered, I assumed a pillow was used, especially since it would cover their faces and provide emotional distance for Chris while murdering his own children. he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. But considering she seemed to be an amazing mother, I highly doubt she was drinking. Triggers related to cleanliness and symptoms related to washing make up only a small part of the range She had a separate closest for her shoes & purses. No, ONE fully-formed, perfect adult and TWO fully-formed, perfect BABIES. If we can believe his scenario, that also sounds like Shannn wasnt trying to kill her daughter like Chris thought, which meant neither of them killed her which leaves someone who must have entered the home by using an access code that wouldnt trip the alarm and I wonder who that might be ((cough*mistress*cough)) if Chriss scenario is correct of course! It may interest people to see how MLM companies such as Thrive, train their customers and promoters in Time and Management and Organisational skills, both of which can be classified as OCD behaviours to an untrained eye. They did not even attend the wedding and barely knew their grandchildren from what I gathered. I believe he killed her while she was sleeping, would have been easy to trap her arms under covers. He eventually disappeared for long time, gave me house. One of the unknowns in this case is why Watts did what he did. Do not make it more complex than it need be please. Part of the evidence that he put into the trash. Its more likely the complete opposite. Im just not comfortable sleeping without it. Do you have any family that said she had OCD? http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/, http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE, https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/, https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10, Christopher Watts: What else do we know? Whereas if he left at lets say 3 am. As for the one person Im referring to I think ignoring them is pretty much a good idea (: Im not a contributor to this conversation. They found nothing of any importance under her fingernail scrapings. He has proven to be a pathalogical liar and nothing he has said before or after his conviction can be proven as truth. And the life insurance policies out on the 3 girls, not sure Nico yet, was not very much at all. The two girls, Bella and Celestes bodies also had same, was noted in autopsy reports is from decomp process. Chris only had one small scar on his body, consistent with this theory. Just a suggestion. Or do they just know? On Aug. 13, 2018, Chris strangled Shanann, 34, in their Colorado home. I wore my bra at night sometimes as well while pregnant because they become larger, heavier and more tender. He also is the male submissive in F/m relationships. I'm not sure whether the restrictions on health related information had a bearing on this aspect, or the Thrive aspect, or both. Do you think that maybe she was actually just unconscious? Watts was having an affair with a woman named Nichol Kessinger, and Shananns texts show he had grown cold to her. Theres another case that does involve a murder by a husband on a bed, through manual strangulation, and they found small drops of his and her blood on the sheets, as well as traces of her feces elsewhere in the room. I actually have been turned upside down by this murder, and through watching over 42 hours of video, have grown to love and admire Shannan! And the decision to move Chris out of state as well? My son has many medical issues as well, doesnt make me a hypochondriac ffs she isnt here to defend herself maybe back off a bit. @Lisa if shed already died she would have not been engaged in the act of strangling her like he said. YES! As noted by Crime Watch Daily, police recovered her body in the Frederick area. Diana, this is something several of us have noted as well. Like someone took over his body. And all I can see is ShanAnns MLM addiction coupled with the desire to live well beyond her means, to give an impression that she was rich-rich-rich, which Im sure she envisioned as a way to promote her business get new people to sign on. PLEASE know, all of these words are helping me to work through an event that is really messing with my head. Then I think he panicked and was scared and didnt know what to do. Mark, that is really interesting! You can see it in his eyes. Also, we usually can find some urine, fecal material, body fluid on the bed sheet and the quilt. I actually tried this with my husband. yes, that is great, there is no mention at all that there was any of the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge that was in Bellas stomach, thankyou for pointing that out Nick. It appeared to be an addiction by this point it was all she wanted to do. Talk to first reponders or health care workers. Shananns Blood Alcoholic Content was 0.128. No, so you have same information that anyone else has. Unfortunately she never got the chance. He had to be gripping her face pretty damn hard to leave fingerprint bruises along the left side of her face. I find it more comfortable & Ive always been afraid of sagging. Did you live with them? And I doubt this person is a doctor who can just diagnose ppl he doesnt know either. Watts, who had initially reported them missing and had made a public plea for their return, was arrested as he admitted to killing them. Mark your theory makes a lot of sense. You know theres plenty of that right? didnt attempt it herself. Same with NK. Have they watched something? But its tough watching some of them, and at times I felt awful for all of themand the girls clearly did not want to be on camera while Shannan clearly wanted them TO be on camera. I have high praise for you, you are excellent at what you do. What about rigormortis? I have to point out that Shanann DID have marks on her face there was a line of small circular bruises running from beneath her chin and up the left side of her face towards her temple. I also believe he had that conversation in the morning because I dont know many women that sleep in their bras. He snapped and I was terrified of him. Police photos https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_comments/trade-regulation-rule-disclosure-requirements-and-prohibitions-concerning-business-opportunities-ftc.r511993-00010%C2%A0/00010-57283.pdf. Will we ever know the order in which they were killed? With that much free time in the day, she could have gotten a part-time job and brought home real money. Surprised he didnt run them thru the washer. Isnt it coincidental that Chris saw her on top of CeCe & when he got into the room it was at the exact moment that CeCe died!!!! What was the motive? She texted her GF talking about her being a single mom when she separated from Chris. With ShanAnn, IF she was attacked and killed shortly after she arrived home, while still downstairs, she would have still been dressed her underwear and pants would have caught it. Defining post mortem bruising requires qualified scientific investigation. He vacuumed twice a day. Maybe body positioning and gravity? as former sheriffs deputy, mid 70s, (When females allowed on patrol) No, I dont believe she was drinking at all, considering she was pregnant. I think she was going to do what most of us who suspect our man of cheating would do, see who the server was, and go to the restaurant with a pic of Chris & ask who he was in there with. 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